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		<title>Mt. Lawlor to Vetter Mtn. Lookout (Again)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SocalHikes Hiker</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Trip Report]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Alder Creek]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bailey Flats]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is pretty much the same hike that I did the last time. So I&#8217;m not going to go into too much detail here. You can read the original trip report here. What&#8217;s going to be said and placed in this post are the differences between the first and second hike. The first difference was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://socalhikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/img_0177.jpg" rel="lightbox[1406]"><img src="http://socalhikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/img_0177-300x225.jpg" alt="Vetter Mtn. Lookout" title="Vetter Mtn. Lookout" width="300" height="225" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1411" /></a>This is pretty much the same hike that I did the last time. So I&#8217;m not going to go into too much detail here. You can read the original trip report <a href="http://socalhikes.com/2009/01/mt-lawlor-to-vetter-mtn-lookout/">here</a>. What&#8217;s going to be said and placed in this post are the differences between the first and second hike.</p>
<p>The first difference was in the amount of people that showed up. Last time we did this 2 days after Christmas, and mostly everyone who went on Saturday&#8217;s hike was out of town. So it was great to do this again with them. Second, we took a different route up to Vetter Mtn. Instead of traveling along Big Tujunga Road for a mile or so, we decided to just take the immediate ridge after Alder Creek. This firebreak sure was tough. It&#8217;s a long and drawn out firebreak which really lets you feel the pain. The other ridge we took up the first time is shorter but steeper. After doing both, I think I would prefer to take the shorter but steeper ridge up.<br />
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Also, the weather on this hike was warm. Not quite what you would expect in the back country at the end of February. But that&#8217;s Socal for you. This meant that we didn&#8217;t do much snow trekking atop of Lawlor or heading back to the cars after Vetter. </p>
<p>Oh yea, I had estimated from the previous hike a gain of about 4300&#8242;. Well, I was off by +900&#8242;. Whoops&#8230;</p>
<p>Check out my album from the hike <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/JohnDQuan/22809VetterMtnAgain#" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Check out Ze&#8217;s report and photo album <a href="http://socalhikes.com/2009/03/red-box-to-vetter-lookout/">here</a>.</p>
<p>Here are my videos from the day:</p>
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   Longitude
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Distance
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  Time
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  Speed
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  1
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  N 34&deg; 15&apos; 30.03&quot;
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  W 118&deg; 06&apos; 17.35&quot;
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  1379 m
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  0.000 mi
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  2
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  N 34&deg; 16&apos; 09.94&quot;
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  W 118&deg; 06&apos; 14.28&quot;
 </td>
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  1767 m
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.001 mi
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  1h 04m 30s
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  0.93 mph
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  3
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  N 34&deg; 16&apos; 10.53&quot;
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  W 118&deg; 05&apos; 22.05&quot;
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  1707 m
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  1.001 mi
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  45m 21s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.32 mph
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  4
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  N 34&deg; 16&apos; 39.21&quot;
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  W 118&deg; 04&apos; 47.37&quot;
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  1711 m
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.001 mi
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  35m 30s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.69 mph
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  5
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  N 34&deg; 17&apos; 04.31&quot;
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  W 118&deg; 04&apos; 14.86&quot;
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  1597 m
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  1.001 mi
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  54m 00s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.11 mph
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  <img src="http://socalhikes.com/wp-content/plugins/xml-google-maps/icons/mm_20_red.png" style="border: none;" />
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  6
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  N 34&deg; 17&apos; 38.21&quot;
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  W 118&deg; 04&apos; 10.08&quot;
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  1379 m
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.001 mi
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  23m 20s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  2.57 mph
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  7
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  N 34&deg; 18&apos; 12.21&quot;
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  W 118&deg; 04&apos; 16.59&quot;
 </td>
<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1178 m
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.001 mi
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  19m 50s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  3.03 mph
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  8
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  N 34&deg; 18&apos; 37.09&quot;
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  W 118&deg; 04&apos; 18.99&quot;
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  1059 m
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  0.995 mi
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  39m 50s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.50 mph
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  9
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  N 34&deg; 18&apos; 40.07&quot;
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  W 118&deg; 03&apos; 34.79&quot;
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  1295 m
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.003 mi
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  36m 20s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.66 mph
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  <img src="http://socalhikes.com/wp-content/plugins/xml-google-maps/icons/mm_20_red.png" style="border: none;" />
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  10
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  N 34&deg; 18&apos; 20.00&quot;
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  W 118&deg; 02&apos; 49.76&quot;
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1330 m
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.001 mi
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  32m 40s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.84 mph
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  <img src="http://socalhikes.com/wp-content/plugins/xml-google-maps/icons/mm_20_red.png" style="border: none;" />
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  11
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  N 34&deg; 17&apos; 55.39&quot;
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  W 118&deg; 02&apos; 13.62&quot;
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1619 m
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  0.998 mi
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  31m 40s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.89 mph
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  12
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  N 34&deg; 17&apos; 37.99&quot;
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  W 118&deg; 01&apos; 07.75&quot;
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1693 m
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.229 mi
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1h 08m 05s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1.08 mph
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  <img src="http://socalhikes.com/wp-content/plugins/xml-google-maps/icons/mm_20_red.png" style="border: none;" />
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  13
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  N 34&deg; 17&apos; 35.84&quot;
 </td>
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  W 118&deg; 00&apos; 29.86&quot;
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1675 m
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  0.770 mi
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  15m 21s
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  3.01 mph
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  14
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  N 34&deg; 17&apos; 52.68&quot;
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  W 118&deg; 00&apos; 21.07&quot;
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;">
  1656 m
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  0.377 mi
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  7m 14s
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  3.13 mph
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<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;"><strong>Summary</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;"><strong>6014 ft</strong></td>
<td style="text-align: right; padding-right: 10px;"><strong>12.380 mi</strong></td>
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	<strong>7h 53m 41s</strong>
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	<strong>1.57 mph</strong>
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<p>Ignore the total gain here. Total gain was 5200&#8242;.</p>
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