We left at about 6:00am and got to the tram by 7:35am and barely made onto the first tram up. This was my first time on the tram, and I must say that it was pretty adventurous. Nice fast mover all the way to the top. I guess it was too early though to rotate it for the view. Unless they only do that on the way down.

For this hike, we were expecting to be breaking trail the whole way up. At first I was looking forward to it. But as I walked in non broken trail for about 5 feet, I realized that would have been a bad idea. So I was really glad there was a faster group in front of us breaking a pretty good trail for us. This was pretty much how it went all the way to the top.

On the way down, more broken trail. Downhills are generally easier, and soon enough it was like charging down a nice scree slope with leaves and soft dirt to cushion each step. However, I guess I was going too heavy because I would be sinking in further than the path already laid out. And by mile 2 of the downhill, my -best guess- Tensor fasciae latae muscle was burning and in pain until the flatter portions of the trail.

Total time for this hike I believe was about 7 hours. Most of that time we were taking pictures or just playing around in the fresh powder. Lee made it up before any of us and was the designated peak greeter for the day. I think the whole hike would have taken him less than 4 hours to complete.

Lessons learned:
1. Camelbak tubes freeze up regardless if it’s insulated or if you blow the water back into the bladder. It just stops working.
2. Thinking about getting a full on bib. Falling ass first in fresh deep powder sucks.
(Updated)
3. Goggles! Sun glasses could work, but the wind still gets in from the sides. Goggles give all around wind protection.
4. When the powder is fresh, glissading does not work.
5. Snow baskets are key when using hiking poles. The small ones that came with my $10 Target hiking pole was ok, but still sank in.
6. The sock liner with a synthetic sock had my feet feeling like they were in a fresh pair all day.

Videos of the day below:

Just caught the aftermath on video. The story here is that Tim went ahead to take pictures of us approaching. He drops his camera in the snow, and after he picks it up, ends up losing his balance falling in. Miriam comes over to help and grabs the end of Tim’s hiking pole which comes loose and drops them both into the snow. And as you can see, it’s a whole process trying to get up with snowshoes on.

After through the trees, we finally hit the clearing. I forgot what valley this is called, but it had some pretty great views all around.

By this point, we had already gone up most of the steep stuff. We were probably less then 100 – 200 vertical feet from the top. We had also lost the shelter of the northern ridge from the wind.

Almost to the top. Less than 50′ I’d say. I think I stalled at this portion because I didn’t want it to end.

Finally at the top. It was pretty windy at times. The wind was blowing from north to south taking loose particles of snow with it. Good thing for goggles.

Traversing down.

What a terrible but entertaining idea. I was third to try it and ended up with the same results. I had also made the mistake of trying to traverse left to the main trail without snowshoes. My 70 cm ice ax going all the way into the slope, and my legs were up to my mid-thighs. After 40′, I was exhausted and just started rolling the last 20.

The tram is quite a wonderful piece of machinery. Especially with the rotating cabin. But what was most entertaining was the second of weightlessness you’d feel after it cleared a tower. The passengers got a real kick out of that.

Final Stats:

15 miles, 5500 ft

GPS track here

KML Google Earth file

San Jacinto 7 Peak Loop (+ Cornell, Miller, Folly, Drury, Jean, & Marion) at EveryTrail

The rest of the group’s thoughts and pictures

Another day, another grand multi-peak loop. While the San Jacinto Loop might not be as popular as the Gorgonio Loop, it may be more fun if you like rocks. And this hike sure did have a lot of rocks!

8 of us met up at the tram station at 7:30 am on Sunday, and took the first tram up to Long Valley. I had been on the tram once before, but it was after Cactus to Clouds, and it was getting dark so we didn’t get the best views. This time was different, and quite cool.

After getting our self-issued permit, we set out along the main trail toward Round Valley. In maybe 1/2 mile, we veered off right on a use trail that took us to Tamarack Valley. This was hard to follow in a few spots but relatively easy trek to the campground.

We walked through the campground and began the steep ascent north to Cornell Peak.

Nearing the base of the rocky portion, there are many options of scrambling routes, some more difficult that others. It is possible to maintain easier climbs if one heads a bit west or east and then aims NE or NW, respectively. A few of us arrive at a small chimney and decided to climb it while others went to find an easier route.

We continued up some class 3 stuff that wasn’t too bad and quickly were at the base of the peak on the west side. Here we could see it being a bit more difficult to ascent the actual summit. The rock is relatively vertical with few handholds. At first I didn’t bother to take off my bag which was silly. Then I took it off and tried again, using mostly upper body strength in pulling myself almost directly up to the summit peak. Scott and Winston found a little better route perhaps 5 feet to the south. And Mike traversed across to the south end of the summit block to climb up.

Winston climbing up to summit base

Up the summit

It was easier getting down, as we could just jump off onto an adjacent flat big rock.

From there we descended back down. Those 3 went back down the same side but a less technical route, while I crossed over to the east side to check out that descent, where the others had come up. A nice scramble.

The three on the west side tried to avoid losing much elevation and traverse the ridge across to Miller, while we cut across SW to an unmaintained trail, which we stayed on for perhaps a mile, and then dropped off and headed north to Miller. While Miller is not very prominent is does offer some nice views. We rested a bit and then headed up to Jacinto.

We got lazy and took the normal trail up. It had taken us quite a bit of time to do Cornell and Miller so we took a few pics then headed down NW to Folly. The terrain is quite rocky and requires a good amount of bouldering, but nothing too difficult. After a 400 ft descent we traversed across to the highest point of Folly, which has a nice cairn.

After that, it was on to Drury Peak. We did a curved route to lose only a little bit of elevation before ascending Drury from the NE. This was nice cross country travel with a good assortment of trees, dirt, and rocks – but not much brush.

We then continued up to Jean Peak to the east. This was a steep ascent, and I think this was the point we getting worn out from the cross country hike. While this hike was only (only?) 5500 ft gain, the fact that so much of it was cross-country dealing with rocks made the energy expenditure more. We got up Jean and rested for a bit, then descended southwest veering toward our final goal, Marion Mtn.

Marion was billed and delivered as another fun peak. From a shallow saddle, Jay and Tina rest while Joseph, Steve, Mike, Scott, Winston and I headed up to Marion. The base of Marion’s summit block is pretty easy to get to. Here we found a register on the north side of the rock. We found a slot we could climb up, which I found easier to use more upper body pull.

The actual summit of Marion had another register. Interesting. I walked around the summit and found another potential route on the northeast side, and ended up descending that way. Probably an easier option.

Another fun peak. From there, we descended down to the shallow saddle, and headed east dropping down toward Wellman’s Divide. This descent was pretty nice on soft ground.

After that, it was a 3 mile hike on easy trail. Trail! We were happy to see it.

Except Tina who must have had too much sugar!

And back down we go!

In this trek, we will tour all the peaks around San Jacinto Peak, via the Palm Springs Aerial Tram. This includes 7 peaks, highlighted by class 3 climbs of Cornell Peak and Marion Mt, as well as reaching San Jacinto’s summit.

Here are the main details:

Distance: ~12 miles
Elevation Gain: 4500 – 5000 ft
Terrain: Some CROSS-COUNTRY WITH BRUSH & CLASS 3 ROCK CLIMBING

To do this hike, you must read this report and description

Plan on taking a full day for this. We will have to meet there before 8, and take the first tram up at 8 am. The hike will take at least 8 hrs…but I don’t want it to be much more. To keep us on track, some people may have to pass up summiting a few of the last peaks (Marion, for example).

Stats and GPS files:

jacinto route (gpsmountaineering way) at EveryTrail

Trip details are given here.
Meetup Link here
My photos here

GPS track here

KML Google Earth file

Cactus to Clouds – Palm Springs to San Jacinto at EveryTrail

It’s a great feeling to be at a point where you can take 9 people up on such a hike like this knowing they are all ready for it. Given the previous hard hikes we’ve done and the plethora of information on the internet, it’s not too hard to make sure everyone is prepared to know what to bring and what this hike would be like. Some may have questioned the early start, but as soon as the feet hit the trail at ~ 4:30 am and there was some sweating, those doubts were put to rest.

Actually the most important obstacle was on me – maintaining the right pace. On shorter hikes, I like to push the pace at least in sections to get a little interval training for everyone. However, this isn’t a training hike, but a performance one. Knowing some physiological background of burning energy while hiking, we needed to make sure to keep steady to not burn off all our glycogen too quickly! So I carried a 75 L backpack filled with stuff (including 8 L of liquids) that I’d guessed weighed about 30lbs to help me keep a good pace.

We started off from the museum parking lot, and as expected the trail started steeply. Although I knew this section was steep and not much of a trail, I supposed I didn’t expect so many rocks! While somewhat annoying, it was really cool dealing with this section so early. With a 3/4 moon, we didn’t need to use our lights as the eyes adjusted well. The darkness and our quietness pretty much persisted over the first hour up.

My goal for the group for this hike was to get to finish the Skyline portion of this hike in 7 hours. We finished a bit over 1000 ft in the first hour which wasn’t too bad given the terrain and some breaks for people to strip down b/c they were heating up!

I’ve started hiking this early maybe once or twice before, but never with such clear views of the sunrise. It was really satisfying to see the changes in terrain and changes in light at the same time. I would take a few switchbacks, and when making the next turn, feeling like a dimmer switch had turned up the lighting just a little bit from a few minutes before. Very cool.

Of course this hike has gotten more popular, so we weren’t suprised to see other groups on the way up, though ours was the largest we’d seen. The point below maybe 2,000 ft up was a nice break spot for multiple groups.

Finally the sun came out fully and we were up ~ 4000 – 4500 ft and got some new views, including San Gorgonio in the distance.

We took a bigger eating break at about 4500 ft up on the west side of a small bump to get some shade. We were making good time and the pace wasn’t too bad but surely a rest was warranted. I mean, we just climbed about 4000 ft which in itself is a hike!

Actually it’s kinda sick when you start breaking down this hike. At one point, it was ‘well finished Baldy from Manker Flats, now time to hike up Iron Mt.’ That’s always fun to think.

I almost step on this guy on the way up.

We knew this ‘peak’ in the background was not our final destination, but still ended up being a mental goal. Does it have a name?

As we went up, we realized that most of the trail was pretty darn steep! Makes sense of course, especially have traversing some bumps and flat trail around 5,000 ft for a while, meaning the gain/mile of the rest of the hike up to Long Valley is around 1000 ft/mile.

We finally got some views of the tram as well as that big rock you need to make sure you stay left of! But honestly, I don’t see at this point, with the usage of the ‘trail’, how one would continue past it instead of head up. But I guess it happens.

And then, it was up the that steep 700 ft or so to complete the first 8000 ft of gain. It was certainly steep, but nothing unfamiliar. Not as bad as some stuff up Iron or Twin Peaks.

We made it up to the Long Valley Ranger Station at about 11:15, under the 7 hr estimate I had started with. Great job! Just the Skyline portion of this hike was a great workout. I’d rate it a bit less challenging than Iron Mt., but a big challenge nonetheless. Luckily we did not have to go back down this!

We had lunch at Long Valley, got our permit, then headed out toward San Jacinto. There were some staff out on the trail checking permits, actually. I’d say they didn’t check enough given the number of people on that trail. Almost a circus. More on that later.

We went up with a brisk pace, chomping out the first 3 or so miles relatively quickly. However, at this point I everything started to slow down, as in, ‘really we only did 800 ft for that?’

It’s funny because I practially didn’t give much thought to the final 2500 ft ascent given I knew we would make all the way once we made Long Valley, but I certainly did not expect to get as much altitude effect as I (and others) did. With probably a 1000 ft left, we definitely slowed down. The trail was not steep, like Mt Whitney’s main trail, but I was starting to get dizzy. But we weren’t even at 10k ft yet! I felt like I was on the switchback at Whitney in terms of my dizziness.

Before the hike I had the itch to possibly go over to Cornell Peak on the way down from San Jacinto if time permited. Closer to the hike, I realized that wouldn’t be reasonable. At this point, it would have been downright stupid to deal with that bouldering!

Approaching the summit, we had this (damn lense cover). Gets the point across. There were a lot of freaking people.

I looked at the final scramble and just hoped it wouldn’t take too long because I was probably going to go too dizzy.

But actually it wasn’t bad at all, and really quick. And with that, we had made it from cactus to clouds!

When I proceeding to plop down to rest, a group of 15 teenagers asked people to move so they could take a picture around the summit. I obliged, but admittedly with some elitist hiking feelings. 15 people?!!! And the other 30-40 people at the summit? Of course they didn’t hike C2C (there’s the snobbery). But it went away quickly, any 12 mile rt hike isn’t easy.

We headed back down eventually. A few miles down, the feet started getting annoyed, as they normally do around 20 miles of walking. How great it felt to know we only had so little to hike down!

We were so happy to get back to the tram. I didn’t mind the little hike up at the end, though others were not as indifferent. But one person even decided to run up it, and it wasn’t me (Ofir)! Ate some grub inside and took the tram down. Best part of the tram ride was the feeling, we hiked up all that?

Can you say caloric deficit? Based on some previous experimentation, I can reasonably estimate that I burned 5000 calories from this exertion. Then include the normal metabolic needs of 2500 – 3000 kcal during the day! Similar for everyone else scaled to their weight. Obviously there was not way to recuperate most of this, you just have to try to make a good dent. I’m sure this had something to do with the lightheadedness and slowing down toward the top. At least I actually ate a little bit on this hike. I did have 2 Cliff bars during the first 8000 ft, then a big sandwich in Long Valley.

Overall, this was a biggie. Everyone did great at it. We all made it up in good time, and everyone seemed to enjoy it (sans food poisoning for Michael at the end). It was too bad some other of the regulars in our hiking group could not make it, but they’ll sure be a part of some future big ones.

What’s next? All sorts of ideas flying around. Gotta try some desert peaks during the winter. I’d say next year we’ll have to do Grand Canyon rim to rim. Back to the Sierras as well. There’s just too much to do round these parts.

Elevation Profile. Just about 11,000 ft gain!

Hike Details

Time: 4:00 AM at the Museum Trail in Palm Springs

Distance: ~ 22 miles (16 miles up, 6 miles down to tram)

Elevation Gain: ~ 11,000 ft

Gain / Mile: 680 ft / mile

Estimated Time: ~ 12-13 hrs

Terrain: Trail, Unmaintained Trail

Difficulty: 11/10

UPDATE!

Since will be starting so early, it is a good idea to spend the night out in Palm Springs. Rachelle and I – and probably others – will be staying at the Palm Springs Motel 6.

Here are some GPS coordinates for the hike.

We will definitely be starting out in the dark. While there should be moonlight (just past a full moon), you should have at least a flashlight or headlamp (even better).

Hike Description

Well it’s time. This is the culmination of the big peak hiking season. After the success of the Iron Mountain hike, I think a bunch of people are ready for this. What is C2C? Well, according to this magazine it is the 5th hardest dayhike in the U.S. We start in Palm Springs – at the bottom of the mountain – and hike all the way up!

Most people take the Palm Springs Aerial Tramway up and hike up 3 miles to the top. We will only be taking the tram down. The elevation gain is a killer, but as those who hiked Iron Mountain know, not having to do the downhill is a major benefit. And once we descend from the peak to the tram, there is a restaurant where we can feast immediately.

One of the main difficulties with this hike is dealing with the weather. It is so hot in Palm Springs during the summer months that people so easily get dehydrated as it stays hot even at higher altitudes. If we waited until the winter, then the top several thousand of feet would be covered in snow and ice making successful summiting difficult and dangerous. So, it is generally accepted that October is one of the best times to try this hike. It should cool off enough to make the heat reasonable without snow.

I have not done this hike, but it is well-documented, and we will be well-prepared. For those attending, I’ll expect a group effort in preparation for this including logistics of 1) how to get there, 2) where will we stay, 3) nagivation with GPS, 4) water supplies, etc…

In a section below I will be providing links to information about this hike. I expect all who are attending to read this information, as well as let me know if they find out any more info.

Who is Ready?

Well if you’ve been on my hikes before, I think you understand the need to be strict on the requirements of who can do these hikes, as people often overestimate themselves (and some underestimate). We cannot have this problem on this hike! And based on recent successful summits, I don’t think we will.

The pace of this hike has a goal to summit in 10 hrs. This is a little over a 1,000 ft per hour. Who can do this pace? Well my specific prediction will be based on time to ascend the Original Baldy Trail

From Mt Baldy Village to Mt Baldy:

One way distance: 6 miles

One way elevation gain: 5600 ft

Cutoff Time: 4 hrs!

If you want to do this hike, you must be able to ascend Baldy from Baldy Village in 4 hrs or less. Keep in mind this is using an ideal pace with minimal breaks. I am choosing this hike as an example because it is of sufficient elevation gain to be predictive of the longer C2C hike.

One week prior, I will organize a hike, most likely up to Baldy – though it may be another hike – that will contain 6,000 ft of elevation gain, and those who want to try C2C must attend. If you can’t, I think John Quan might organize a hike 2 weeks prior of similar magnitude.

Several of you don’t need to worry about this, you know who you are. Everyone will only be allowed to RSVP “No” but indicate interest, and I will sign those up immediately that I can vouch for.

Otherwise, it’s time to ramp up the training! If you want to improve your time, you should start doing moderate to intense cardiovascular training 3 times a week. In 3-4 weeks, this will make a marked difference in your performance.

Message Board

To discuss this stuff as group (and for future hikes), I’ve create a simple message board. Please use it!

Links

Read and Take the Quize

Sac Jacinto Hiking Forum

SummitPost Link

Hiking Member Tim’s Photos

The Skyline Trail

What to bring:

WATER! We will at least need water to carry up the first 8,500 ft. [4-6 L, depending on weight, is a good quantity for October]

The rest of the 10 essentials

A will of Iron!

Zé’s picture of San Jacinto from Gorgonio.

Getting There

We need to get to Palm Springs Friday night. More on logistics later.